It's nice to know we have friends, a toast to him.
Posted by: puggs on February 26, 2003 12:02 AMA little experiment. Change a few words and maybe you can see you bigotry.
French pizzeria bans Jews
A French pizzeria has banned Jews from dining there because of their country's occupation of Palestine.
Aage Bjerre, who owns Aage's Pizza on the island of Fanoe, said he's tired of Jews attitudes toward France.
He's put a homemade drawings on the shop door, one a silhouette of a man coloured blue and white for Israel.
Both silhouettes have a bar across them.
The ban has yet to affect his business because the tourist season only starts after Easter and peaks during the summer. "I do what my conscience tells me to do," he said.
He added: "Jews have a lifetime ban here. Their attitude toward France will never change."
Posted by: Commader Y on February 26, 2003 05:10 AMAnother anonymous commenter, but at least this one makes a point.
Certainly the owner might be considered a bigot for banning Germans, Frenchmen, or Jews for their actions. But those are the breaks - actions have consequences, both pro and con. The business owner obviously feels strongly enough about this situation to make what has to be a potentially damaging economic decision for him.
Actually I'm not convinced a ban on nationals translates into racial or religious bigotry. One is based on where you live and your governments policies, the other on you are.
A thought experiment for Commander, substitute the word American for French or German. If he thinks thats funny or OK, after his statement that would make him a hypocrit.
After all the dirt being flung from various points from the French and Germans, I have no sympathy for them. Besides, the French have made a fetish out of saying one thing, and doing another. There are a lot of hard feelings in the world for those two nations, only a little to do with current events.
Maybe they should ask themselves, "Why are we hated so much?"
Posted by: puggs on February 26, 2003 11:33 AMThink about the sordid overtones if after a rabbi is stabbed, or a synagogue is burned, instead of decrying the hate, someone said in defence:
"Maybe the Jews shoud ask themselves: Why are we hated so much?"
Hatred is disgusting no matter who it is coming from. You are making a whole people pay for the actions of a few (sound familiar?)
Posted by: Commader Y on February 26, 2003 12:02 PMI am making an entire people pay by denying them pizza at a privately owned establishment on Fanoe island?
And I think Puggs has the gist of it - people have been trying to deny things to Israel for years - the entire divestment movement is trying to punish the people of Israel for its governments policies. But the left has been among the leaders in "divest from Israel" political activism. It is interesting that the left is comfortable with trying to economically destroy our only ally in the region without so much as a second thought. But deny some Germans and some Frenchmen pizza, and it becomes a situation to terrible to bear.
Posted by: Neal on February 26, 2003 07:02 PMCommader, I take it you didn't understand the reference to "why are we hated" question. After 9/11 the papers and media were filled with commenters, mostly European, saying that is what Americans should be doing. Why is America so hated? Your reply indicates you believe that statement is veiled hate speech, now that you know that I was referring to it in that context, was it hate speech then? Or do Americans get to be the exception to the rule, again?
It's enraging to see the very question that was put to America by people who don't like us anyway, called racist or insulting when it's directed back at them. Wasn't it so when they said it?
All that aside, insults between the nationals of one country against another aren't the point. The point is hypocrisy, nations saying they are our friends while actively working to support our enemy. Make no mistake, that is exactly what Chirac is doing. For whatever reason you like, he has chosen to put France on the side of a tyrant. I don't dislike France because they are Catholic, or because they are pasty skinned white people, it's because of the way they act towards us.
When an enemy works against you it's expected, when a supposed friend does it's betrayal.
Posted by: puggs on February 27, 2003 01:45 AMInteresting. It seems the same people that think it is okay for teachers in Maine to slander and intimidate students because their parents fight for their right of free speech also think it is wrong for an owner of a pizzeria to make a political statement at his own expense. HELLO! It's his right to make that statement. He is not in America, he is on the island of Fanoe -- our sickening political correctness doesn't hold water there. I applaud him and want to know how to send the money to buy a pizza for a table full of Englishmen, Turks, or Israelis.
Quite frankly, you can change the words to anything you want, if another group chooses to side with those who wish to destroy American, I will support him in his efforts to ban them as welll.
Nations, like people, are either givers or takers.
Those who are takers get very annoyed when the free ride comes to an end. As in personal relationships, it becomes apparent who your friends are when the going gets tough and it comes time for them to return some of that which they have been given. France & Germany are happy to accept our tourist dollars, sell us their merchandise, make money in our industries, and let our military protect them -- now, where are they when it's time to ante up? No, we shouldn't let that slide - we should hold them accountable as we would our own best friends should they turn their backs on us in time of need. We should be angry and appalled. And, we should think twice before we consider helping them in the future.
Freedom of speech, freedom of expression. The man should be able to voice his opinion. If he owns the business, then he should decide to whom he may sell. There is no right or wrong here. He will lose business. He feels strongly about his decision. NO ONE IS forcing the public to patronize his business.
Posted by: Brian on April 23, 2003 01:24 PMseems that Aage Bjerre, who owns Aage's Pizza on the island of Fanoe was supported by the government in his discrimination against Jews. However, now that he has added Germans and French to the list the government is after his ass with threats of a fine in excess of $700. Is life not fair...
Posted by: Adam Wun on April 23, 2003 08:22 PMAage Bjerre
Give me your address so I can help with your fine!
One of your American Friends.
Neal
I admire anyone who puts their principles ahead of money. Nothing wrong with making money! Just as long as it is done with honor. You are a good man, Aage! Makes me want to come back to Denmark for another visit. Last time was to Karup Airstation when my unit spent a month there in the 80s. The Danes are wonderful people and I had a great time in Viborg and Herning! Sounds like Fanoe Island is a great place too.
Posted by: Joe J on June 10, 2003 04:17 PMThe Danish people are featured on the honor role at the holocaust museum in Wahington, DC. Is it no wonder that freedom loving people have a role model in Denmark.
The Islamo-fascist-phile governments of Europe and the people who vote them in to power deserve nothing but the world's contempt. Hussein's Iraq has killed more Arabs and people of Islam than anyone in history; gassed the Iranians and Kurds by the thousands and sold oil to ELF with a wink and a nod. Iraqi blood for French oil!
French and German citizens who condone this slaughter deserve worse than a vacation without pizza!
Posted by: Mikie on June 10, 2003 04:41 PM