Don't mind me, just hanging around waiting for the fireworks to start.

Anyone got popcorn?

I guess nobody's coming puggs... I really like it... a thousand words' worth at least.

Hey guys.
I saw that yesterday too, but I didn't even think of snagging it to raise har's blood pressure.
Still a rookie, ya see.

Hardly worth getting annoyed about, it's just bollocks.

Plucky little Israel hardly washes any more IMHO.

More terrorists at work.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3029929.stm

I take it they should have just let the mortar attacks continue on the settlements then? Do you really hate the Israeli's so much you refuse them the right to fight back?

Settlements, oh you mean the stolen land?

So if a burgler moves into your home you cant fight back now? isnt that what you were accusing the British government of doing?

Mr Pot, let me introduce you to Mr kettle.

Hahahaha! Stolen Land. See, it's like this, Har. If you go to war with the express intent of annihilating your neighbor, and instead he kicks your ass and picks up some real estate in the bargain, it isn't "stolen". Isreal didn't invade Gaza and the Golan Heights as part of a primary initiative. They ended up there as they drove invading Arab forces back. And they withdrew and gave most of the land they captured BACK - something they really didn't have to do.

I don't agree with the settlements in these "disputed zones". But I can certainly see why the Israelis who are there want to stay. And since you admire Rachel Corrie for stepping into the path of a bulldozer so much, shouldn't you admire the settlers as well? After all, they are dying for what the believe in in great numbers. And since you love acting like 15 year old Palestinian kids are "innocent children", shouldn't you pause and shed a tear for the REAL innocent babies - the 4 and 5 and 6 years olds who are slaughteres in their bedrooms as their mothers try and shield them from machine gun fire?

Well said Neal, but I doubt she cares. They aren't on the right side so their deaths don't seem to register with harm.

She seems to buy into the romantic vision of the revolutionary. Free the oppressed, well it would be nice if their tactics had any semblance of humanity, if they recognized non-combatants. Che Guveria is dead, there is nothing noble about the Palestinian cause when they advance it by dismembering teens in a pizza shop in Tel Aviv, or shooting prepubescent children in their sleep.

Aren't they just land stealing invaders harm? Your logic is the logic of a child, you want what you want, when you want it. Reason, fairness or ability don't seem to matter. Jewish lives don't matter, only palestinian ones.

Just once could you even acknowledge that the arabs have spent fifty years trying to destroy Israel, just once. It isn't about justice, it's about revenge for them for Israel even existing.

So it's fine for the Israelis to steal someone elses country, but wrong for them to fight back.

What a pair of hypocrites you are.

Only if we accept that the land was stolen, we don't. Israel gave back 3/4 of the land taken during the arab retreat, and kept only enough to give itself a security buffer against future examples of arab friendliness.

You expect the Israeli's to just sit there and die whenever the local arabs decide it's a good day to lob some mortar shells into residencial areas. No no, mustn't defend yourself against arabs, not PC in harms world.

Who's the hypocrit when you deny jews the same right you give arabs, self defense? Strange that you seem to believe that they alone in the world can commit any atrocity and it's just fine with you. As long as it's against someone you hate.

Israel gave back the desert to the egyptians and held onto the part that is actually worth anything.

So the Palestinians have no right to defend their own homes against an occupying army that has broken every UN resolution ever passed?

The Israeli's have f16's and main battle tanks, your tax dollars at work! not got a problem with that?

But of course the real sub-text is that the Palestinians are just filthy arabs, Towelheads dont have any rights do they?

My tax dollars going to Israeli defense, nope, no problem for me at all. If they didn't have the tanks and planes we wouldn't be having this disscussion, they would be long dead.

Now you give a shit about UN resolutions? Kind of selective aren't you?

Destroying homes is a desparate policy born of what? Suicide bombers, remember? How tolerant would you be in their place? From your comments I don't believe you know what tolerance means. Destroying property is bad, but they could do a lot worse. They could pull an Assad and just wipe out the whole town, they could do a Huessein and just gas everyone. Oh wait, that's the arab solution isn't it.

You won't goad me into racial epithets that I don't use. The arabs have the right to live in peace, just like everyone else. That's conditional however on their not waging an unending war of terror on their neighbors.

They can have peace anytime they want it, and you fucking well know it. You think Israel wouldn't deal if the killing stopped? If you don't then examine your own prejudices before accusing others.