harmonia is now trolling around through Misha's comments. What is it with blogroaches, anyway? Why do they feel the need to show their ass to the world, defecate in front of their betters, and then whine when they are oh so justifiably smacked down?

What is the induced allergy level to logic and reason for a blogroach? Anybody know?

Oh lordy... our dear little Harmonia is trying to infest the Emporer's blog? Does she have the first CLUE who she's dealing with? I'm gonna hafta get over there to watch the fun!!

By the way: "blogroach"..... outstanding, just outstanding turn of phrase

I'm jealous - you at least have trolls.....*sniff!!*

The term "blogroach" comes from MicheLe at A Small Victory, I'm fairly certain.
I think she even has a graphic you can put up to tag the trolls.
Unrelated, I'd like to know anyone's thoughts on this editorial I found at The Army Times.

https://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=0-ARMYPAPER-1954515.php

Veterans benefits are bitched about by every vet since the revolution, they're trying to prod the White House into a better deal. There's nothing unusual about that. If you think it means that the whole of the Army hate Bush's guts, you read too much into it. Soldiers bitch about everything, always, constantly, any vet could tell you that.

That doesn't mean moral is bad, just the opposite. Patton once said something to the effect that he would worry if the soldiers didn't complain. We should make sure that benefits are generous, but priorities have to be set. There's nothing new about that either.

Oh, it isn't just soldiers either. Enlisted guys, NCO's, and JO's of every service complain to each other all the time... and still do their job, same as ever. On my ship, the Engineering Department had a tradition of the "Dopey Book," or the "Bitch Log," which was just a logbook that was kept in an inconspicuous location in the Plant, where people could write semi-anonymously about something that pissed them off, draw a cartoon, whatever. A lot of it was resentment of superiors or idiots at the enlisted level, some of it was HILARIOUS... some really funny song spoofs, for one thing.
Well when I was very new on the ship, one of my supervisors found the Divisional Bitch Log, and, as he was not the most popular supervisor, he found a lot of uncomplimentary remarks about himself. He was displeased, and threw the Bitch Log overboard, and tried to get people to admit who had written those things. Of course, since most of us had written SOMETHING in there at some time or another, wasn't anyone talking.
He tried to outlaw a new Log, but rules have a hard time overcoming tradition. Then he tried to institute searches to try to catch people making a new Bitch Log, but that was pretty hopeless... an Engine Room is large, full of complex machinery and chock full of nooks, crannies, and little hidey-holes... and what's more, the junior guys spend about 10 times as much time down there as the supervisors... so who's going to know all the best hiding spots and such?
All he accomplished was getting some more gripes and cartoons about himself in the new Bitch Log.

No doubt she will get censored too, after all we cant have debate on the internet can we, we might even learn about the other persons point of view, and we cant have that.

I wonder about a group of people who are so unsure of what they believe in that the have to hide from any alternative argument or scream "Troll Troll" at any dissent.

Still we all know that Dissent is anti-american.,

hamonia, so GOOD to see you. You keep returning after you say you're leaving! I am almost certain that, were the Doc or AK or puggs to say one thing and then do another, you would call them a liar. What shall we call you then? I mean, if you don't like being called a Troll.

2 things, puggs
1, the article doesn't mention veteran's benefits
2, it doesn't mention, nor do I imply, that service-people hate Bush.

The point of the article is that while Bush (and the world, really)depends on the military to acheive specific goals, he is cutting their pay and benefits.
It's a slap in the face.

I can't think of a thing off hand that Sylvain and I agree on, but when we debate each other it's an honest airing of views.

Oh one thing, I'm wanting to see the new Pam Anderson cartoon. Have to check and see when it's on.

And a word about Trolls~
They are like good-luck charms. It means you are popular enough to attract them.
Don't chase a troll away, feed it, cultivate it, make it part of the family.

Also, at what point does a person who disagrees strongly with another's POV become a troll?
What is the criteria?
Am I a troll?

I was speaking genericly, I'll be more precise. The tone was harsh and the selected qoutes all came from Bush's political opponents, me thinks the editorial had a decided party affilation.

"For example, the White House griped that various pay-and-benefits incentives added to the 2004 defense budget by Congress are wasteful and unnecessary � including a modest proposal to double the $6,000 gratuity paid to families of troops who die on active duty."

First, a failure to increase is not a "cut". Secondly, the $6000 mentioned is not all they get, the life insurance my family would have got was 35.000, and that was back in 1980. Third, the whole package was rejected, not just the ones that make juicy DNC headlines. What else was in it? Do you even know? Pork is always padded in at the expense of other things, what did they try to slip in behind the cover of benefit increases?

I took you to be implying what you overtly just stated, you believe "he is cutting their pay and benefits.
It's a slap in the face." That's suggesting they should, even if they do not.

You a troll? Hmmmm, no I don't believe so. We never agree, but you've never run away from a statement, or just hurled insults. There seems to be a serious effort to talk, if not agree.

harmonia, you have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain about no debates being allowed here, since YOU and I have some unfinished debates on other threads. Unfinished because after you made a few incoherent posts you fucked off and went trolling in another post.

Sylvain -

A dissenter offers an opposing point of view, and then debates it. A troll does nothing but post nasty comments, incoherent ramblings, or ideological claptrap - and then runs away whenever engaged in any form of debate. I have never thought of you as a troll, although I agree with almost nothing you wirte. Harmonia, on the other hand, is the very definition of a troll. She is far and away the most intellectually dishonest "dissenter" to ever grace RNS. The new troll from Houston is just a numbnut - not even offering humor as a reason to keep them around.

I may let Harm stay this time, or I may Trollinate her, or maybe I will just ban her IP address. That's the nice thing about it being MY blog - I can do whatever I want to with it. If she posts more of the same stupid shit with her one-line snarky comments and absolute refusal to actually defend any of her positions - she's outta here.

So I guess that makes it:

Sylvain = dissenter, always has been welcome to leave comments

Harmonia = troll, only welcome as long as the humor factor outweighs the annoyance

I only wish I'd come up with "blogroach". Can't really say where I saw it first, but I must admit, it's much more appropiate to harmonia (or what the fuck ever it's calling itself now) than "troll", which has a lot of message board connotations not necessarily appropiate to a comment section on a blog.

The $6000 paid due to the death of the service person is a source of confusion for a lot of people who haven't served, and on its face it seems as if a dead GI is only worth 6 grand for Uncle Sam's troubles.

That $6000 is for covering immediate expenses for the family of the deceased until the SGLI (servicemens' group life insurance - a mandatory benefit with a *minimum* $200,000 payment) gets paid. It was $200,000 six years ago, it might have gone up from there.

It was up to $250,000 when I got out, you can select any amount of coverage up to that limit, and are charged $16.50 a month for the 250k, lesser charge if you select lesser coverage. At least I think that's how it worked... I've been out for a year now.

Thanks for the clarifications on the article.
It's why I put it in comments, after all.
Always good to have a different POV, I say.
But when you say you disagree with almost everything I write, does that mean in the comments here? Because I'm not seeing you on my free webcounter. If you ever visit the Chapel and disagree with any post, BAM (by all means), Disagree! I love debate, it's how I learn.
I'm sure you will find much to disagree with there, but if I don't get a different POV, I have to go with what's there, ya know?
My views aren't popular, but here they are in a nutshell~ I trust No One, especially politicians and the religious and most especially religious politicians.
As much Good as the US does in the world there is also alot of Bad, and I think it needs to be pointed out so we can try to remedy it.
But let's be clear--I am not a democrat, liberal, or otherwise and would be very insulted if anyone called me either of those things.
Troll I can handle.
Liberal I cannot.

Hahahaha!

DOn't worry, we will never call you a liberal - unless we want to drive you away, that it <;

I have noticed that you have a rather eclectic mix of views. I suspected that you were chapel perilous for a while, but now that it is confirmed, I will stop by more often.

As far as what you posted above about the things you believe - I agree with most of them. But I don't dismiss Bush out of hand, and I do believe that this country needs to realize that global terrorism is here to stay - and our options are to either fight it or surrender to it (a la France - no pun intended and in all seriousness). I, for 1, do not believe that surrendering to it is an option.

Cool, there is mutual respect then.
But I'll not tolerate underhanded insults from the likes of Oren or anyone else--that's a good way to drive me away.
I won't insult anyone or call anyone names or condescend or belittle anyone's opinions-I expect the same from the community here.
I come here to debate, not make enemies.
I feel that constructive, lively debate can take place without name-calling such as "imitible twit".

Well, I think one of the biggest things that you can count on trolls to do is erode the civility of debate. I almost never had to police my comments section, and now I have sort of given up.

I didn't see what Eichra said as being that bad, but then again, it wasn't directed at me.