Well it seems our guys did even better than first reported, 54 "good" baathists now. Must have had to gather arms and legs and divide by four. It was nice of the AP to include this local yahoo.
"No one wants these Americans to enter this holy city. We don't want them to defile (it), and that's why this battle happened," said resident Mawlud Jassim. "Many Iraqis were killed and the Americans sustained big losses in lives and equipment."
First, this town is in the north, Saddam country, second I guess the Iraqi Minister of Disinformation had a cousin. Why tell a small lie, when you can sprinkle pixie dust and make Abrams tanks just disolve on cue, huh Mawlud? Run that last line by me again,....yeah, it sorta shreds your credibility somewhat doesn't it?
This is as absurd as if AP reporters had rushed into Remagen the day after the Allies took it, then lined up the Nazi loyalists for a good bitch session. OOOOh, they only killed civilians, but took loss's dumble the number of men involved doing it............right. Mawlud needs to seek out his brother Qay-luud and take a pill. The whole bottle actually, but I'm just mean.
"American forces opened fire randomly on passersby and on (people) in the marketplace," said Shaker, interviewed Monday at the town's general hospital.
Sure they did, people were just calmly walking by, going to market, just casually meandering by A FRIGGIN TANK BATTLE YOU BRAINLESS MORON! DO YOU THINK THEY DIDN"T NOTICE AND MAYBE LIKE TRY AND TAKE COVER?..........Not according to jerkweed, nope they just milled around waiting for our guys to gun them down. I know that wild exageration is a common arab practice, they don't consider it lying, just the start of a back and forth. But JEEBUS Christ they suck at the propaganda stuff. Little lies they could get away with, but these whoppers have no wieght outside the arab world, unless you are a lefty brain donor type.
Update....
From CNN, this interview with one of our men.
JONES: Well, what they attempted to do -- and we don't know if it's actually civilians. I called them all terrorists. If they're blocking the streets or if they're attempting to block the streets, then obviously they're not a civilian. They're some sort of combatant. They're helping out the terrorist projects with that. I'm a true believer of that. These guys were trying to throw vehicles in the way, taxi cabs, a couple of white pickup trucks and everything, to actually block the roads as we tried to egress out with the convoy.
We did have to -- we did have to ram some vehicles out of the way to get our people out, to get our people out of there safely and securely. But civilians in the area, you know something's going to happen as soon as you get in there and all the civilians basically clear out of the way. So if you go into a street or part of the city that's normally busy and there's nobody around, you'd better get your guns up and ready to go.
Pretty much as I suggested yesterday, the civilians in question had already cleared out and men in civilian attire were putting up barricades to try and trap our people. The Sgt. is quite right, you take an active role in the fight, you are a combatant, and a target. The civilian "witnesses" are never going to admit that they were part of it, that they are lying through their teeth.
So, Jarjar...............go fuck yourself.
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Posted by: hjhj.jkjkj.com on December 1, 2003 08:43 AMYup it's onwards and upwards!
https://lunaville.com/warcasualties/Timelines.aspx
Posted by: dfdf.@xfdf.com on December 1, 2003 08:47 AM43? 56? or er 8?
"Iraqi police disputed the U.S. casualty information about the attackers, saying that only eight bodies were in the morgue, including two elderly Iranian pilgrims, and that none wore Fedayeen clothing. Police said 50 people were wounded.
A building in Samarra on Monday shows the scars of the convoy-attack battles that a U.S. spokesman says may have involved fighters of the Fedayeen Saddam.
Rudesheim conceded that some of the insurgents reported to be dead may actually have been wounded, because of the method that U.S. forces used to collect information about the firefight.
"We actually had interviews with everybody who was involved so we can understand immediately what happened and who was involved," Rudesheim said. "That gave us a sense of who was engaged and who was killed, some of those said to be killed could have been wounded."
https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/01/sprj.irq.main/index.html
Posted by: hjhj.jkjkj.com on December 1, 2003 08:55 AMLooks like JarJar is channeling Baghdad Bob.
Posted by: Raging Dave on December 1, 2003 09:21 AMCNN=Baghdad Bob, what a strange argument?
As for the US casualty figures, what part of that do you think is a fantasy?
Posted by: hjhj.jkjkj.com on December 1, 2003 10:11 AMWell sshit, if you are going to qoute him, qoute him in full.
"Colonel Frederick Rudesheim, commander of the U.S. 4th Infantry Division's 3rd Brigade Combat Team, earlier told reporters at the U.S. base in Samarra that 46 guerrillas were killed and 11 captured.
Police said eight civilians had also been killed, including an Iranian pilgrim. Doctors said they had only seen six bodies, but Rudesheim said this did not mean U.S. forces had misjudged the number of insurgents killed.
"The adversary we face in this area will not bring all the casualties to the local hospitals," he said."
From your beloved Reuters.
Not like the locals don't have any reason to lie or anything is there?
"Not like the locals don't have any reason to lie or anything is there?"
I agree they do, so do the US army.
Thats why the best policy is read all the reports, not just jump like an ill-trained puppy on the first recycled news release that Faux news churns out.
According to our captain there the casualty figures come from interviews with troops after the battle, would you regard that sort of estimate as reliable?
I remeber Tommy Franks saying "we dont do body counts" at the start of this war, after the fiasco's in Vietnam who could have blamed him, but here we go again.
Criminy, JarJar, do you ever get tired of having your ass handed to you like the weak gutless prick that you are? Nice attempt at the "Viet Nam" bit, but you leftist freaks got that one wrong as well. You're ALWAYS wrong, you stupid fuck, and it's getting boring watching you prove just what an ignorant fucking ass you are.
Posted by: Raging Dave on December 1, 2003 01:58 PMI used FOX yes, which used the same early AP report that ALL the other agencies used, including the shameless British ones. Which part of the FOX report diviated from everyone else so much that you just had to say it was Faux?
You suggest that we shouldn't notice initial reports and wait for all the facts to come in. Well guess what Sherlock, they are still coming in and it changes nothing important, not one major fact.
Soldiers interviews can be inaccurate, but not to the tune of 50. You are blowing smoke to try and snatch a propaganda victory from a defeat of the Faydayeen, the same as they are.
You can't candycoat the fact they got mauled, and whipping the faithful into a kill the infidel frensy will be just a bit harder for them the next time. The Sunni Triangle escaped the big fights during the invasion stage, they came away with barely a scratch. They didn't learn the lessons that the Republican Guard did about fixed defenses vs. mass firepower.
Well now they got a taste of it.
Maybe the next time they won't start a gunfight in their own town, unless they are as stupid as the Palestinians are.
Posted by: Mark (puggs) on December 1, 2003 04:55 PMWell as it turned out it was a lot of nonsense.
Just as expected.
As for "crushing" the enemy, that normally doesnt mean they get you again the next day:
https://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20031202_131.html
You have already lost this war, do try and get used to it.
Posted by: hjhj.jkjkj.com on December 2, 2003 07:19 AM*gasp* You mean the war is still going?
Jarjar, you're a hopelessly retarded fuckwit, and while I would love to tear you apart limb by limb, I don't think you have the mental resources to actually feel pain. Lost this war? Bush was in Baghdad, something that Saddam can't do. How do you like them apples, you fucking piece of shit? Just because your Ba'athist buddy is out of power, you're throwing a temper tantrum. You're nothing but a mentally deficient asshole who can't handle seeing the good guys win. Too fucking bad. Please continue to wallow in your own ignorance, stupidity, shallowness, and filth. People like you are needed to show the world just what a total and complete loser looks like.
Posted by: Raging Dave on December 2, 2003 11:59 AM(Smiling,...sipping coffee........) What Dave said, in spades.
You aren't even offering an arguement now, just sputtering and spewing. "Lost".......one soldier killed and we are supposed to run away like some squealy little commie Brit?........
Think again,....or rather not think again. Just emote, communists should all be ashamed if your brain is any example of their thinking.
Posted by: Mark (puggs) on December 3, 2003 12:14 AMSqueal and threaten all you like, it doesnt change the facts losers.
https://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=68502c5eae5b193f0d75af16d5b0ce6b
Posted by: dfdf.@xfdf.com on December 3, 2003 04:59 AMOoooooh, LOSERS. My, my, my. However shall we respond to that? How about "I know you are, but what am I"? Or perhaps "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words shall never hurt me"?
Harmonia, you have moved from the pathetic to the psychotic. Unable to formulate an argument, unable to hold a civil discourse about anything, expressing doubt about everything good the US does, while accepting at face value any report that condemns the US.
Do you honestly have to spend any time at all wondering why a lot of the commenters here hold you in such absolute contempt?
It has become obvious over the last several months that you really just aren't all that bright. Mixing that with your hateful snarkiness, and it's no wonder that you have nothing better to do than sit at home and rail against a country that, to be honest, is just better than anything you have or ever will have. If what I am is a loser in your eyes, I will take that any day. Because to be a "winner" in your clique, I would apparently have to be an anti-semitic, utopian, Baathist supporting idiot. That kind of winning I can do without.
Posted by: Neal (Nukevet) on December 3, 2003 08:36 AMHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Nice article, JarJar! Did you find it right next to the "Martyr's Reward" for blowing up Joooos?
Holy christ, you're a fucking ignorant shitstain.
Posted by: Raging Dave on December 3, 2003 01:16 PM